• 政治人物的声誉与时间坐标

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    最近,突尼斯革命将本阿里这位已踏上流亡之途的威权型政治人物带入了世界公共视野。读其一生行状,不由得想起唐代大诗人白居易的一首诗,原为七律,现录其中广为传诵的两联:
    周公恐惧流言日,王莽谦恭未篡时。
    向使当初身便死,一生真伪复谁知?

    这首诗蕴含的政治哲理,就是强调时间坐标对评价政治人物的重要性:周代贤相周公如果不幸在流言四起之时死亡,肯定会被当作一个篡位者载入史册;西汉王莽如果在篡位之前去世,必将留下千载贤名。同理,本•阿里如果在2007年前死亡,或将权力通过选举和平转移给另一位政治家,其结局不仅不会象今天这样落得个被国民抛弃、举家流亡的下场,还会有不错的历史评价。

    从目前的资料来看,截至2007年,本•阿里统治突尼斯所采取的经济政治举措,与蒋经国统治台湾时期相似,其政声无论在国际社会还是本国,都与今天有天壤之别。

    蒋经国在辅佐其父担任行政院长时,面对来自海峡对岸、国际局势和台湾岛内本土化潮流的压力,已清醒意识到,只有持续发展经济、落实政治民主,建立更开放的社会,才能继续维持中华民国政府的统治。1978-1988年是蒋经国主政时期,经济上,台湾成功“起飞”,人均GDP超过6000美元,得以跻身“亚洲四小龙”。政治上,蒋经国竭力推进台湾的政治民主化,在1980年代进行了一系列重要改革: 1985年,蒋经国在任第二届总统时表示,中华民国下届总统不会再由蒋家人担任。1987年7月15日,《国家安全法》开始施行,同日中华民国正式解除在台湾实施了38年的戒严。随后又解除实施了30多年的党禁和报禁。蒋经国先生有一句广被传诵的名言:“我知道我是专制者,但我会是最后一位――我以专制来结束专制。”由于其亲民作风,深受台湾民众的好评。

    从政治经济状况来看,本•阿里自1987年以“改变(Change)”为口号登台执政之后,其治理下的突尼斯与蒋经国时期的台湾相似:政治上实行威权统治,同时希望通过经济高速增长来构筑政治合法性(称为“面包契约”)。

    经济上,本•阿里采取积极的对外开放姿态,以各种优惠政策吸引跨国公司,每年GDP增长保持在5%左右。2007年达沃斯论坛曾把突尼斯评为经济上最具竞争力的非洲国家,领先于南非。目前,突尼斯的人均收入大约有4000美元。2007年庆祝本•阿里执政20周年时,中产阶级收入阶层人口已占全国人口的85%。

    政治上,本•阿里的开放姿态不输于蒋经国。他推行公共和个人自由、新闻及言论自由,致力于通过和解对话建立一个政治稳定、社会和谐,尊重人权原则,体现自由、平等和公正价值的法制国家。例如,本•阿里宣布废除多项对新闻出版的管制法令,允许私人经营报刊与电视台; 1994年本•阿里首次允许反对党参加立法选举,此后逐步允许合法反对党参加立法、市镇和总统选举,政府甚至为反对党的正常活动提供资助。他还支持工人自由组织工会的权利,允许工人罢工。

    与蒋经国不同的是,蒋在第二任总统行将届满之前去世,此后蒋氏家族确实也未再介入台湾政治。本•阿里在1987年将突尼斯独立后的第一任总统、后来宣布自己为“终身总统”的布尔吉巴赶下台后,曾宣称突尼斯再也不需要“终身总统”,但此后本•阿里所在的宪政民主联盟成为永久性的执政党,本•阿里为使自己成为该国永久的执政者,不断根据自身需要修改宪法,先是取消总统连任次数不超过两次的限制,继而将总统候选人的年龄上限增至75岁,这些当然都是迷恋权力的本•阿里为自己量身定做的规定。有了这些规定,本•阿里在总统宝座上一坐就是23年。在权力的庇护下,其家族利用特权获得许多垄断利益,导致民怨沸腾。但在倒台之前的半年,本•阿里并没意识到危机正在迫近,仍然坚信自己是突尼斯的“特别保护者”。

    历史就是如此捉弄人,生死大限使得蒋经国先生名垂青史,迄今为止,在对以往几位台湾领导人的民调中,他仍是最受台湾民众肯定的一位。而本•阿里却从此只能告别往昔的荣耀,流亡异国,埋骨他乡。

    本•阿里的威权统治一直被中共政府引为同道。2007年,新华社曾发表一篇“突尼斯:稳定繁荣发展20年”的文章,该文名义上是庆祝本•阿里执政20周年的伟大业绩,但从赞誉的语言及角度,完全可以看作中共是在借赞扬本阿里以显示“吾道不孤”,这个“道”,就是以经济发展作为政治合法性的基础。今天,昔日同道政权倾覆,举家仓皇出逃,不知中共可从中领悟到什么经验教训没有?

     

    (原载于何清涟VOA博客,2011年1月28日,http://voachineseblog.com/heqinglian/2011/01/tunisia-politician/)

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    82 Responses to 政治人物的声誉与时间坐标

    1. 天天有明天
      January 28, 2011 at 15:52

      好文章,顶一下!真诚的祝福何女士异国他乡生活顺利!觉得何女士这样优秀的人才流失海外实在是国家的大损失,真希望有朝一日何女士能够回国报效祖国就好了!

    2. January 28, 2011 at 18:16

      在人类发展史上一切迷恋权力的个人和党派,为自己和所在国家的人民编织的只是恶梦。竟管你自认为以经济发展作为招牌一时骗取到政治合法。只有“以专制来结束专制”才是真正有远见的政治家。百年后名垂千古!

    3. AAA
      January 28, 2011 at 19:15

      突尼斯的问题是个人执政的合法性以及家族腐败. 但至少在2007年前, 整个国家的经济社会还是发展的相当不错的, 而且在这之前他在国内的威望还是很高的. 这其实和毛泽东有点类似, 而中国目前的政治体系里, 好象不会发生这样类似某国家领导连续在任几十年的情况发生的吧. 不知道文章作者说中共可从中领悟到什么经验教训没有是什么意思? 一个是个人, 一个是政党. 世界上执政党长期执政比比皆是, 我没看出来和突尼斯有什么关联?

      • January 28, 2011 at 20:07

        AAA:世界上执政党长期执政比比皆是—————————————————————————————————————————拜托你能说说这些都是哪些国家吗?

      • January 28, 2011 at 20:50

        21世纪的今天,一个国家被一个人或被一个党专制同是一个概念。独裁者的结局是一样的!都逃不过人类历史的抛弃。不妨,我们可以一同从崩溃了的前东欧阵营中找到答案。目前世界上仅存尚在苟延残喘几个独裁国家,竟管它出现了回光返照的兴奋;但,也已无法掩耳回避这历史下课的铃声。

        • January 30, 2011 at 07:49

          不幸的是,中国不是独裁国家。
          你的主子美国将中国定义为集权国家。

          • former communist
            February 15, 2011 at 00:53

            “不幸的是,中国不是独裁国家”

            Is this a joke of the day?

    4. 痛打五毛狗
      January 28, 2011 at 21:03

      突尼斯已经发生了,埃及、也门正在发生,中国还会远吗???

      • January 30, 2011 at 07:51

        中国现在好着呢,连感冒都算不上。还是建议你去买股票,现在正是时候。

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    6. January 28, 2011 at 21:46

      好文!

    7. January 28, 2011 at 22:40

      看来还是这句话扫帚不到灰尘照例不会自己跑掉,不给点压力统治者不会自己下台的,中国还是有两种可能,一种是加强外国对国内的民主运动支持,通过各种渠道支持访民大联合,网上互联的水平,达成尽量多的共识,第一阶段为冤民发声运动,就是大家要发声不要做沉默的羔羊,第二种可能是当局回到愚民阶段,更严厉地新闻控制,思想控制,更放肆侵犯人权的逮捕劳改教养,可是美国政府还是贪图低人权产品客观上救了专制,又舍不得支持中国冤民的知识分子的联合上多化点钱,

    8. gamegun
      January 29, 2011 at 01:23

      我想中共从中所能领悟到的经验教训就是:正是因为“政治上,本•阿里的开放姿态他推行公共和个人自由、新闻及言论自由,致力于通过和解对话建立一个政治稳定、社会和谐,尊重人权原则,体现自由、平等和公正价值的法制国家。”“例如,本•阿里宣布废除多项对新闻出版的管制法令,允许私人经营报刊与电视台; 1994年本•阿里首次允许反对党参加立法选举,此后逐步允许合法反对党参加立法、市镇和总统选举,政府甚至为反对党的正常活动提供资助。他还支持工人自由组织工会的权利,允许工人罢工。”所以,“我们绝不。。。,绝不。。。,绝不。。。”

    9. January 29, 2011 at 03:13

      突尼斯事件不会在中国发生. 我党我军积累了极其丰富的斗争经验. 党指挥枪,机枪,坦克,大炮乃至核弹头随时恭侯敢于叫板的. 我党我军有钱,又舍得花钱维稳,豢养的鹰犬和马屁文人一大帮.养马屁精是最便宜的,象余眼泪,坟头看奥运之流的. 我党我军,上上下下利益一致,你中有我,我中有你,抱成一团 ,同仇敌忾. 我党我军驭下的多为顺民,只要有饭吃,谁愿揭竿,谁敢揭竿? 我党我军庆幸的是中国自古以来,多的是观赏杀头,吃人血馒头的看客和病人.有谁呐喊几句,得到的是冷漠,麻木,嘲讽.在这些目光下,押入监狱或刑场. 突尼斯的前执政者早应分期分批留学中国.我党我军的宝贵经验,是世界专制史中辉煌的篇章,供全球独裁者分享. 中共专制千岁,万岁.

    10. 50年代人
      January 29, 2011 at 07:12

      中国共产党以及共产党领导人物,从大到小必定遗臭万年永远没有贤,中国共产党的一生从头到尾就是干坏事。只有你想不到的罪恶,没有中国共产党没有干过的罪恶。

    11. paul
      January 29, 2011 at 07:18

      何老师苦口婆心,可惜中共对权力霸占的欲望极强,又对自己手里的国家机器非常自信,真不见得听得进去。
      我觉得白居易这首诗过于强调偶然性了,这些高高在上家伙的生命不至于那么不可捉摸。以前也有人讲毛泽东在49年就死去如何如何,好像是后来的史家由于对现实的不满而对历史一厢情愿,或者说是扼腕叹息吧。
      历史虽然由各种偶然组成,但串起来也有其必然性。我相信那些独裁者即使能韬光养晦一时,最终会在他死前露出真面目,从而遗臭万年。中国历史上不是有很多枭雄定鼎天下不成死前总要过过皇帝瘾吗?

    12. January 29, 2011 at 07:21

      在法西斯和共产主义灭亡之前,人们总觉得是个梦。

    13. January 29, 2011 at 07:41

      约旦多个城市发生大规模反政府示威游行。

    14. 温骗子胡欺欺
      January 29, 2011 at 11:28

      ‘世界上执政党长期执政比比皆是, 我没看出来和突尼斯有什么关联?’

      是呀!有执政长期的政党,但人类历史上从来没有过永远执政党!所以,中共倒台是必然的。

      关联?突尼斯是个人独裁统治,而中共是由九个魔兽联合独裁统治。有如九头怪兽,凶残无比。可“龟虽寿犹有尽时”中共灭亡的时候就要到了。

      AAA —五毛猪少在那里不懂装懂了,你给何老师拾鞋都不配!

      中国真的还不如北非阿拉伯国家,中国人连基本的知情权都没有,庞大的洗脑机器还扰乱着中国人的精神。中国人还是那样的残弱无能,再加上当今社会的道德败坏已到极致,中国陷入了“人人害我,我害人人”的怪圈。中国人只会围观不知道团结起来推翻专制振兴国家和民族。没有长远眼光,只听眼前利益。这也是为什么那个腐败无能却又残忍无比的中共独裁政权依然在兴风作浪。这是中国人的悲哀,中国人要为中共的独裁和腐败继续买单。

      但中共独裁还是会崩溃,快了!可以说就在眼前,中国陷入泥潭的经济状况已经预示着这一点。只要中共财源一断,那些只为财贪官污吏会如鸟兽散;压制百姓的“暴力维稳”难以持续;博得‘西方友人’认可金元外交立即破产。那时候中共会腹背受敌,四面楚歌。

      一个靠买地存活的政府还能持续多久呐!?

      • January 30, 2011 at 07:47

        真是个预言家啊。
        当年法轮功也这么预言过,并且说奥运会一定不成功。

        • hcb
          January 31, 2011 at 04:23

          正是因为你这样的愚民太多,这是法轮功没有估量好的,所以预言失败了。

    15. 白头鹰
      January 30, 2011 at 00:02

      中国问题的复杂性远非非洲国家可以相提并论,巨大的利益集团在那里,就不会轻易说醒悟,何谈罢手,”我死后,哪管洪水滔天”,最重要的还是公民社会的觉醒吧,人数虽然很少,速度虽然慢,但逐渐地改良才是稳扎稳打的,这样取得的进步也才更可靠。

    16. January 30, 2011 at 07:26

      突尼斯的暴乱确实对中国有一定影响。

      其实,中国的中央政府还是致力于解决社会问题的,可能有的方法不太合适。中央政府也已经意识到自己的执政地位必须通过不断改善人民生活来维持。

      只是现在地方政府还有很多的贪官污吏,作威作福。这种状况在今年得到一定的改善,但我认为还是要多抓一抓基层民主,只有这样才能让那些贪官污吏知道是谁该服务谁。
      然而,村民选举进行了好多年了,但是国家也不太管,也没什么进步。

      同时,我们也应该看到,社会的动乱对整个社会都是灾难,所以不能轻言动乱啊。

      • hcb
        January 31, 2011 at 04:16

        你是个没有能力把握事情真相和本质的人,所以,跟你说再多也没有用。

    17. January 30, 2011 at 07:28

      这件事上尤其能看出来邓先生的智慧,一方面以身作则,结束了个人独裁,另外一方面,也没有造成苏联倒台似的国家混乱。

    18. 斗笠翁
      January 30, 2011 at 11:15

      这里的五毛更恶心。五毛不同于当年红卫兵,红卫兵是被毛政治骗子卖了,今天的五毛就像抗日时期的汉奸,出卖自己的灵魂和肉体换取现实利益。这些五毛我在一个公安分局见过,他们的工作地点就像路边低级网吧,用的电脑就是抢劫网吧老板的老式机子。真可怜!

    19. January 31, 2011 at 05:35

       平民?哈哈!所谓的?“平民”!你居然敢在光天化日之下说:“中国不是独裁国家”。你真幽默;请听好!连胡锦涛都不敢这么说。先声明,本人不是你们说的那种什么“民运人士”。更不会象他们民运人士讲话那么斯文。我只是一个普普通通的中国人,但我知道在这里咱不懂的绝不胡说。但是,我想对你说几句:据我观察;你的文化水平并不高。也说不出几句上档次的话,你绝对不属于现今中国专制体制下的受益者;也更不是中国当今利益集团中的一员。你想,此时此刻那些既得利益者哪有时间跟咱们在这儿打字泡时间呀。人家早跑去搂权.搂钱.楼妹子去了。你告诉我;哪个官员在海外没有存款,那个官员的家属在海外没有身份和住房。朋友!你上当了,还帮人家数钱。其实,我知道你也有难处;不然谁愿意;啃着他们吃剩的骨头并为之死心塌地的看家护院呢?“哥们儿”你说是吗!

    20. January 31, 2011 at 09:39

      珙产傥 不就是那样吗. 用大量网特~及其走狗写手~五毛傥.在世界各大网站进行渗透.给共产党歌功颂德.美化狡辩. 在国内控制舆论导向.封闭事实.

    21. antiprc
      January 31, 2011 at 12:07

      “同时,我们也应该看到,社会的动乱对整个社会都是灾难,所以不能轻言动乱啊”

      动乱死了多少人?没有贵府治下的常年死亡率高吧。你既然怜惜人命,人命为大,那贵政府就不要在关键时刻暴力镇压,而应该尽量维护次序。这样才能彰显以人为本的精神。

      ———————————————————————————————————-

      “这件事上尤其能看出来邓先生的智慧,一方面以身作则,结束了个人独裁,另外一方面,也没有造成苏联倒台似的国家混乱。”

      邓小平实用主义的党国主义者。苏联现在还混乱吗?贵党和国民党打仗没造成国家混乱吗?你就一混帐,只许自己混乱不许他人混乱。

    22. BB
      February 5, 2011 at 16:04

      有点奇怪,独裁不独裁有什么重要的?全世界的所有国家的真实权力其实都是一样的:掌握在那数百个政治贵族的手中。
      只要党内民主还是完善的,那情况就不会变得更糟。

    23. BB
      February 5, 2011 at 16:12

      政治权力分配的三种结构是:totalitarianism – republic – democracy,中国现在是处于共和阶段,总的来说还是合适的。
      现在中国人民生活在水深火热之中吗?穷人是多了点,但日子还能过吧,完美社会是不存在的,华尔街不一样变着法儿弄出个次贷危机让全体纳税人买单?

    24. BB
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      这就是美国黑人获得进一步民主权力的代价,哪有什么完美社会的。

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